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Post by Statesman Jerakal on Sept 10, 2013 20:57:10 GMT
In addressing your concern, with drawing your weapon being common knowledge for everyone whose ever played pathfinder for longer than a couple days at the very most, it seems unecessary to change the rules to make such an addition, furthermore if its your first time playing Calidor or pathfinder in general the GM should remind the player to draw their weapon before combat begins if they feel it's necessary to do so. That's where you are wrong because I have played dnd and pathfinder for more than 4 years and I have never had a DM assume I'm punching something to provoke AOO. In fact we even had a game where we convince the DM to change the draw to a free action so we could do shenanigans with weapon switching. Any other game, no DM has ever forced me to keep my weapon sheathed until an encounter happens. There are a lot of different opinions being thrown around in here so I'll state what I believe in so it won't be confused with what Renen suggested. I simply want the DM to inform new players that Calidor forces the PC to keep their weapons sheathed until they enter an encounter. And remind them that they need to draw their weapon first before attacking with it which will cost a move action or a free action if you move w/ bab of +1 or higher. Basically give new players the necessary information to play this game without looking like an idiot. You shouldn't be withholding information about the rules from the players until they are punished for it. We're not playing some tabletop card game where you are trying to beat your opponent where it would be in your best interest to not inform them. Additionally most players do not question the DM's decision so the rule lawyering becomes very one sided. I just agreed to your point on the GMs reminding the players that they need to pull out there weapon to use it before they play their first time and it seems as though that's the direction everyone seems to be headed towards. Why are you still arguing about this with me after you've already corrected my previous mistake?
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Post by Lector on Sept 10, 2013 21:08:49 GMT
Are we arguing? I just wanted to make it clear for everyone.
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Post by Statesman Jerakal on Sept 10, 2013 21:26:27 GMT
Are we arguing? I just wanted to make it clear for everyone. ar·gue ˈ/ärgyo͞o/ verb verb: argue; 3rd person present: argues; past tense: argued; past participle: argued; gerund or present participle: arguing 1. give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view. "defense attorneys argue that the police lacked “probable cause” to arrest the driver" synonyms: contend, assert, maintain, insist, hold, claim, reason, allege; More formalaver, represent, opine "they argued that the government was to blame" persuade someone to do or not to do (something) by giving reasons. "I tried to argue him out of it" 2. exchange or express diverging or opposite views, typically in a heated or angry way. "don't argue with me" synonyms: quarrel, disagree, squabble, bicker, fight, wrangle, dispute, feud, have words, cross swords, lock horns, be at each other's throats; Yes, we were arguing. Next time you wish clarify something else to everyone in a thread, to prevent cofusion I'd suggest you not quote a particular individual's post.
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Post by Lector on Sept 10, 2013 21:28:01 GMT
and yet you quoted me...
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Post by Statesman Jerakal on Sept 10, 2013 21:48:25 GMT
Because we were arguing with the keyword being "were". I'm not going to talk with you any further on this subject.
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Post by godmode on Sept 10, 2013 23:55:17 GMT
So everyone is fine with the following: Because that is currently what is happening. I am fine with this. one time you forget and get killed will be enough to make you never forget.
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Post by Magistrate Wizzle on Sept 11, 2013 1:06:26 GMT
This thread is getting carried away. There should be no hostilities here. Cease and desist please.
To argue a point is fine, to argue a person is not.
Also everyone is just repeating themselves with redundant additions.
It seems we are all in simple agreement that a DM should give a friendly reminder if a player forgets to draw weapon. As dm's we are not out to kill you, only to present you with challenging scenarios. Must I again remind people this is only a game, the point of it is to have fun.
Its simple as that, I see no further reason to argue this point.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 11, 2013 1:12:56 GMT
This thread is getting carried away. There should be no hostilities here. Cease and desist please. To argue a point is fine, to argue a person is not. Also everyone is just repeating themselves with redundant additions. It seems we are all in simple agreement that a DM should give a friendly reminder if a player forgets to draw weapon. As dm's we are not out to kill you, only to present you with challenging scenarios. Must I again remind people this is only a game, the point of it is to have fun. Its simple as that, I see no further reason to argue this point. 3 dms have said there goal is to kill us which make me nervous on this rule
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Post by Magistrate Wizzle on Sept 11, 2013 1:18:48 GMT
When the DM plays the role of a monster they must fill that role. They will try to kill the party. To hold back would cheat you of the challenge.
When I am dming I try to put myself in the creatures shoes. Example. What would a pack of wolves do to take down a group?
Charge in one by one? No
They will attempt to surround, flank, and achieve upper hand before engaging.
Just because something has an intelligence of 2 does not make it dumb.
And here I am getting carried away. This thread is like kryptonite
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 11, 2013 1:25:25 GMT
When the DM plays the role of a monster they must fill that role. They will try to kill the party. To hold back would cheat you of the challenge. When I am dming I try to put myself in the creatures shoes. Example. What would a pack of wolves do to take down a group? Charge in one by one? No They will attempt to surround, flank, and achieve upper hand before engaging. Just because something has an intelligence of 2 does not make it dumb. And here I am getting carried away. This thread is like krypton there is a diference at least in my mind between "i will act like the oponent your fighting" which is what you do and "i want to kill everyone" wich is what they've said they do im sorta afraid that no matter what im fighting im going to be coup'de'grace if i go down
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Post by Sentar(Spade) on Sept 11, 2013 1:28:49 GMT
Wait are you expecting to be knocked unconscious and left alone?!
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 11, 2013 1:33:02 GMT
by a fucking dear or something yes by someone who is not expressly there to kill me yes the problem is im pretty sure some gms wont say the dear runs now that is can no the dear will stay and cave my skull in or the thief i caught will slit my throat even if its a stupid move
okay i somehow edited effigys post in my quote and posted it on the entry he only said the first lint the second is from me this was a accident i i cant fix it
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 11, 2013 1:37:34 GMT
Again this thread is being derailed and now I am to blame. the thread cant be derailed as the conversation was acknowledged to be over by both sides not to mention this is in direct link to the conversation
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Post by Silver on Sept 11, 2013 1:38:58 GMT
You could really use some punctuation. I have yet to see anyone CdG'd by an enemy. And my personal experience with the GMs they were rather forgiving. Havent been seem people CdGd by wolves even thougj wolves had ample opprotunities.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 11, 2013 1:40:03 GMT
i know i dont know how i edited it and i can delete it for some reason ive explained in the post what happend
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