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Post by ceraton on Sept 10, 2013 2:17:50 GMT
I think I dun goof'd. I read some of the rules. Apparently you can't pull your weapon out really quick unless you have quickdraw.
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Post by Lector on Sept 10, 2013 2:19:02 GMT
I think the point of op was this: Combat starts. You go to attack enemy. You dont say you draw a weapon. (No arguments against it being sheathed btw) GM doesnt remind you about the weapon. GM tells you that you punch the enemy, doesnt allow you to clarify that you obviously took out the weapon as part of your move action. GM rolls for monsters attack of opportunity, because you arent trained in barehanded combat. You are left confused to why GM didnt just ask "Do you draw weapon before you start the attack" Yes we've digressed We'll have to leave this selective realism for another time.
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Post by Wyatt on Sept 10, 2013 2:23:42 GMT
I think the point of op was this: Combat starts. You go to attack enemy. You dont say you draw a weapon. (No arguments against it being sheathed btw) GM doesnt remind you about the weapon. GM tells you that you punch the enemy, doesnt allow you to clarify that you obviously took out the weapon as part of your move action. GM rolls for monsters attack of opportunity, because you arent trained in barehanded combat. You are left confused to why GM didnt just ask "Do you draw weapon before you start the attack" it's just a tough love style of teaching. after punching a bear in the face your probably going to remember to call out that your drew your sword from now on.
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Post by Silver on Sept 10, 2013 2:25:31 GMT
I think I dun goof'd. I read some of the rules. Apparently you can't pull your weapon out really quick unless you have quickdraw. Indeed you cant. Bit you CAN pull It out during move if ur bab is above 1. And some people just forgot to say they are doing it, while being physically capable of drawing.
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Post by Colin Clout on Sept 10, 2013 11:47:53 GMT
I have always reminded players of the +1 BAB weapon drawing rules. I think its something a freshman player should already know but still I tend to remind them. I can see we're not making any headway on the weapons readied argument but for the record Qi'sa al-Quatir and effigy are the ones that are correct. If you need an explanation as to why you begin an encounter without your weapons drawn, refer to those posts. The sword doesn't have to weigh 60 lbs for it to become a hassle to carry. There are any number of reasons why it would be inconvenient for your to carry your sword in hand for 8 or even 4 hours a day. Whether or not there are dangerous creatures out there that might kill you, it takes seconds to draw your weapon and your character is not going to be operating under the assumption that any moment a creature could pop out and kill him in the moments it takes to draw his weapon.
"At the point people say they should be already readied with weapons for every encounter, where does it stop? Preemptive spellcasting? We should assume rope/cages/manacles/anything else useful is onhand as well because someone might feasibly know beforehand that there's a chance they might use it?" -Qi'sa
^ This is the crux of the matter poignantly summed up by Qi'sa as always.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 10, 2013 13:36:50 GMT
"At the point people say they should be already readied with weapons for every encounter, where does it stop? Preemptive spellcasting? We should assume rope/cages/manacles/anything else useful is onhand as well because someone might feasibly know beforehand that there's a chance they might use it?" -Qi'sa
^ This is the crux of the matter poignantly summed up by Qi'sa as always.
no its not there is a distinct difference between being ambushed on a road and following tracks when i find said tracks of a possibly dangerous beast and start following them i would draw my weapon while it might not be held in front of me there are numerous ways to carry it that do not tire you you could hold it down at your side or rested on your shoulder your argument is that having a heavy item on yfor that long would tire you well then i guess people will have to start drawing shields because those are heavier than most weapons. the argument i am making isnt "i want to always have my weapon drawn" its "if im following tracks to a dangerous creature i want my weapon out but probably not at the ready" as ive said before
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Post by Statesman Jerakal on Sept 10, 2013 14:24:25 GMT
I said it once, but I'll say it once more. I disagree with this thread on the following arguments above made by Effigy, Wyatt, Qi'sa, and Clout, as well as on the principle that if you forget to say the following four word simple sentence "I draw my (insert weapon here)" then you deserve to be the crazy asshole who punches a grizzly bear in the face.
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Post by Lector on Sept 10, 2013 15:12:11 GMT
I said it once, but I'll say it once more. I disagree with this thread on the following arguments above made by Effigy, Wyatt, Qi'sa, and Clout, as well as on the principle that if you forget to say the following four word simple sentence "I draw my (insert weapon here)" then you deserve to be the crazy asshole who punches a grizzly bear in the face. That's fine it's if they've been here for a couple weeks. But are you going to do the same thing if it's their 1st time getting placed in Calidor?
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Post by Sosay Kaizer on Sept 10, 2013 15:37:44 GMT
I have always reminded players of the +1 BAB weapon drawing rules. I think its something a freshman player should already know but still I tend to remind them. I can see we're not making any headway on the weapons readied argument but for the record Qi'sa al-Quatir and effigy are the ones that are correct. If you need an explanation as to why you begin an encounter without your weapons drawn, refer to those posts. The sword doesn't have to weigh 60 lbs for it to become a hassle to carry. There are any number of reasons why it would be inconvenient for your to carry your sword in hand for 8 or even 4 hours a day. Whether or not there are dangerous creatures out there that might kill you, it takes seconds to draw your weapon and your character is not going to be operating under the assumption that any moment a creature could pop out and kill him in the moments it takes to draw his weapon. "At the point people say they should be already readied with weapons for every encounter, where does it stop? Preemptive spellcasting? We should assume rope/cages/manacles/anything else useful is onhand as well because someone might feasibly know beforehand that there's a chance they might use it?" -Qi'sa ^ This is the crux of the matter poignantly summed up by Qi'sa as always. As long as this is done and recognized, I see no reason as to why the rules need to be changed.
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Post by ceraton on Sept 10, 2013 15:39:47 GMT
If I were a samurai, this wouldn't be a problem for me.
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Post by Twilight Magistrate Datenshi on Sept 10, 2013 15:53:22 GMT
I said it once, but I'll say it once more. I disagree with this thread on the following arguments above made by Effigy, Wyatt, Qi'sa, and Clout, as well as on the principle that if you forget to say the following four word simple sentence "I draw my (insert weapon here)" then you deserve to be the crazy asshole who punches a grizzly bear in the face. That's fine it's if they've been here for a couple weeks. But are you going to do the same thing if it's their 1st time getting placed in Calidor? Exactly.
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Post by Mordenkaiken's Guinevere on Sept 10, 2013 16:10:42 GMT
I think if we hear a player say he will charge the enemy, the GMs just need to ask with what weapon. This will then address if his character has multiple weapons and at the same time give them an idea that they need to draw their weapons first.
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Post by ceraton on Sept 10, 2013 16:13:40 GMT
We should have something called a favorite weapon. It lets the GM/DM know that its the weapon that the character is most likely going to pull out when charging or when starting the round. So the GM/DM won't have to ask.
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Post by Statesman Jerakal on Sept 10, 2013 19:31:14 GMT
I said it once, but I'll say it once more. I disagree with this thread on the following arguments above made by Effigy, Wyatt, Qi'sa, and Clout, as well as on the principle that if you forget to say the following four word simple sentence "I draw my (insert weapon here)" then you deserve to be the crazy asshole who punches a grizzly bear in the face. That's fine it's if they've been here for a couple weeks. But are you going to do the same thing if it's their 1st time getting placed in Calidor? In addressing your concern, with drawing your weapon being common knowledge for everyone whose ever played pathfinder for longer than a couple days at the very most, it seems unecessary to change the rules to make such an addition, furthermore if its your first time playing Calidor or pathfinder in general the GM should remind the player to draw their weapon before combat begins if they feel it's necessary to do so.
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Post by Lector on Sept 10, 2013 20:01:14 GMT
That's fine it's if they've been here for a couple weeks. But are you going to do the same thing if it's their 1st time getting placed in Calidor? In addressing your concern, with drawing your weapon being common knowledge for everyone whose ever played pathfinder for longer than a couple days at the very most, it seems unecessary to change the rules to make such an addition, furthermore if its your first time playing Calidor or pathfinder in general the GM should remind the player to draw their weapon before combat begins if they feel it's necessary to do so. That's where you are wrong because I have played dnd and pathfinder for more than 4 years and I have never had a DM assume I'm punching something to provoke AOO. In fact we even had a game where we convince the DM to change the draw to a free action so we could do shenanigans with weapon switching. Any other game, no DM has ever forced me to keep my weapon sheathed until an encounter happens. There are a lot of different opinions being thrown around in here so I'll state what I believe in so it won't be confused with what Renen suggested. I simply want the DM to inform new players that Calidor forces the PC to keep their weapons sheathed until they enter an encounter. And remind them that they need to draw their weapon first before attacking with it which will cost a move action or a free action if you move w/ bab of +1 or higher. Basically give new players the necessary information to play this game without looking like an idiot. You shouldn't be withholding information about the rules from the players until they are punished for it. We're not playing some tabletop card game where you are trying to beat your opponent where it would be in your best interest to not inform them. Additionally most players do not question the DM's decision so the rule lawyering becomes very one sided.
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