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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 15:56:58 GMT
This came up when I proposed an undead race.
Does not having to sleep give you extra MP, and if it doesn't, should it?
Arguments for: It's logical. Arguments against: It's OP?
Ways to go without sleep: Be an undead, construct, or non native outsider. Ring of sustenance, 2500 gp, (still 2 hours, but regain full spells in those 2 hours) Be a sixth level paladin. Take the fatigued/exhausted mercies. Lay on hands yourself/others every morning. Cast Lesser Restoration (or use potions) to remove fatigue every 24 hours. Others?
Note that these methods do not let you regain spells without resting, but other per day effects do recharge.
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Post by Ror'Nor on Sept 1, 2013 16:07:49 GMT
Well I did suggest this and logically it does make sense. Just will have to wait for Magistrates or other players to comment on this.
Also undead never get exhausted/fatigued so they can endlessly move essentially.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 1, 2013 17:57:35 GMT
no becasue its balance based not logic based casters need 8 hours rest to regain there spells there are other things that stop you from needing sleep dax i notice that your trying to break the game alot lately
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Post by Ror'Nor on Sept 1, 2013 18:10:12 GMT
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Post by Silver on Sept 1, 2013 18:54:25 GMT
If you arent a caster, theres nothing you can do to break the game.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 1, 2013 19:03:34 GMT
i reiterate balance issue not logic if they get 3mp a day instead of 2 they are to powerful and need to be banned
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Post by Silver on Sept 1, 2013 19:38:09 GMT
They also get 1/2 the xp others do.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 1, 2013 20:07:39 GMT
i would hands down take an xp hit to have obcene stats a ridiculess natural spell and an extra mp not to mention the 10 things im immune too
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Post by Silver on Sept 1, 2013 20:19:44 GMT
I would hands down take being a level 20 wizard while they are at level 10. But I do see your point. The stats dos seem a tad strong. I would have 0 problems allowing this race to be played as a non-caster class. But if wizards pick this up...
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 1, 2013 20:24:47 GMT
heres the thing they can safely hunt alone at lower levels and can survive much easier and can make a solo party of undead to act as meat shields they will undoubtedly level faster because they are so much more survivable
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Del
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Post by Del on Sept 1, 2013 20:48:40 GMT
Think there are a couple points being missed on the undead front
If they end up getting 3mp a day rather than 2
that means
21MP vs 14MP
The impact of 50% less xp is nearly removed by the potential of additional hunting actions. This is further compounded by the likelihood of successful hunting due to their overwhelming superior stats and traits.
so that lvl 20 wizard would be staring at most likely a lvl 20 undead... maybe if the undead was unlucky... a lvl 15 to 18
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 21:06:27 GMT
Think there are a couple points being missed on the undead front If they end up getting 3mp a day rather than 2 that means 21MP vs 14MP The impact of 50% less xp is nearly removed by the potential of additional hunting actions. This is further compounded by the likelihood of successful hunting due to their overwhelming superior stats and traits. so that lvl 20 wizard would be staring at most likely a lvl 20 undead... maybe if the undead was unlucky... a lvl 15 to 18 Agreed, this is an important point that should not be overlooked.
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Post by Ror'Nor on Sept 1, 2013 22:08:34 GMT
I mean even with crazy stats like this they can easily be killed in a hunt. 5% to fumble and seriously end up risking death. I mean they do have to find skeletons/corpses to be able to make the undead.
Just it would be weird where us normal races sleep and the undead people would just be standing around for no reason.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Sept 1, 2013 22:17:03 GMT
if they kill one cr 1 they can make it undead then if they kill a cr 2 they can make it undead a barbarian of this race would be almost unstoppable he could fight almost anything on the hunting chart within a month we are talking game balance here not logic we are in a GAME
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Post by Ror'Nor on Sept 1, 2013 22:28:34 GMT
I mean I guess a barbarian would be cool. Since you know MORALE bonuses don't effect undead.
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