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3rd party
Oct 31, 2013 11:46:40 GMT
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Post by Twilight Magistrate Datenshi on Oct 31, 2013 11:46:40 GMT
I would like to suggest allowing 3rd party. If as they say, there will be "laws" in place to prevent OP characters, then I dont see why we cant allow 3rd party and disallow things on case by case basis. For example, psionics is very similar to normal magic, except they are using a "mana" pool. There are also some feats that can really help diversify some classes (I think something like allowing 2 handed magi, instead of being stuck with 1 handed weapon)
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Post by not just as planned on Oct 31, 2013 12:05:32 GMT
it might be good to have a Clearcut set of guidelines to follow when sifting through 3rd party material if that's the case.
I personally dont like including 3rd party, especially if we are trying to contain the level of Crazy and Overpowered builds, because it becomes harder to regulate. but I'm not going to go as far as to say "We should never include this"
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3rd party
Oct 31, 2013 12:36:13 GMT
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Post by Twilight Magistrate Datenshi on Oct 31, 2013 12:36:13 GMT
I think it should be done on case by case baais. Because if thats how we are doing 1at party stuff (unless we want more op stuff), then I dont see why we can do the same for 3rd party.
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Azx
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Post by Azx on Oct 31, 2013 14:24:20 GMT
Psionics would be fun
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Post by Wyatt on Oct 31, 2013 19:21:58 GMT
i feel like this is going to be way more trouble than it is worth :/
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3rd party
Oct 31, 2013 20:05:50 GMT
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Post by Twilight Magistrate Datenshi on Oct 31, 2013 20:05:50 GMT
Why? I think we already determined that 1st party can be OP. Im not saying 3rd pt is balanced, but no reason to exclude it based on some fats and the like being too strong. Just have the person tell you the direction they are going with the character, and the gm can judge if they are trying to make something too strong (but anything thats not a caster isnt likely to be broken anyways)
For example, my non-GM persona might be interested in playing a 3rd party class, but that class isnt a caster. As such, I wont be able to teleport around the world, kill an entire city with a snap of my fingers, summon demons/angels and warp reality.
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Post by Wyatt on Oct 31, 2013 20:59:28 GMT
yeah but this is how I see it, every time someone tries to do something 3rd party whether its feats,archetypes whatever the gms will need to huddle and decide on it.This is going to take away time from doing actual useful stuff and your also going to run into a lot of "hey that's unfair if he gets to pick X I should be able to pick Y" its just not worth it ESPECIALLY with a game this big.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Oct 31, 2013 21:44:57 GMT
if were allowing 3rd party content then we should need it to be a book and not just random classes and such
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Post by Sentar(Spade) on Oct 31, 2013 21:56:11 GMT
WE ARNT BANNING OP Stuff, we are just making laws in game to make it much harder to do the OP things, idk who you are expecting to case by case all of the 1st party and 3rd party stuff twilight.
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Post by Azx on Oct 31, 2013 22:16:42 GMT
I think that penalties for power gamming are a good thing, but their should be a warning first. Also does 3rd party include 3.5 stuff converted for Pathfinder uses? If so, that's a lot of really awesome spells, feats and pun-puns!... or not pun-puns
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Post by Mordenkaiken's Guinevere on Nov 1, 2013 0:11:35 GMT
WE ARNT BANNING OP Stuff, we are just making laws in game to make it much harder to do the OP things, idk who you are expecting to case by case all of the 1st party and 3rd party stuff twilight. IMHO, characters OP before can now be addressed in Calis given the planned diversity in the game and the fact that a quest is no longer "Kill X monsters get Y exp and Z loot." One can argue that there is already an existing power base when we enter Calis. A certain faction will already have powerful NPCs on the lookout for threats to their position, and the OP characters need to deal with that powerful NPC who's supposed to be on his side while contending with his natural enemies who would hail from an equally powerful faction. Relating that to game mechanics, this will allow GMs to stop one character from destroying the game.
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Post by Mordenkaiken's Guinevere on Nov 1, 2013 0:16:25 GMT
yeah but this is how I see it, every time someone tries to do something 3rd party whether its feats,archetypes whatever the gms will need to huddle and decide on it.This is going to take away time from doing actual useful stuff and your also going to run into a lot of "hey that's unfair if he gets to pick X I should be able to pick Y" its just not worth it ESPECIALLY with a game this big. I think one of the ideas behind the reset is to reduce admin work for the GMs so they can focus on providing utter enjoyment for the players. I for one like a lot of the 3rd party stuff but would veer away from it. We have but a tenuous grasp on all things 1st party, as we have just seen the tip of the iceberg. Adding 3rd party stuff will just get things out of hand, moreso with the regulation as Wyatt and I have pointed out.
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Post by Artorius on Nov 1, 2013 1:28:10 GMT
How do you guys feel about creating a 3rd party request section? Similar to the current proposal section, but strictly for allowing 3rd party features. Maybe a GM vote where in order for the 3rd party feature to be added it must passed by the majority of GMs or without opposition from any GM.
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Post by Twilight Magistrate Datenshi on Nov 1, 2013 1:34:55 GMT
Well, that COULD work. Perhaps there will only be a few people that care enough to take 3rd party stuff.
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Post by Artorius on Nov 1, 2013 3:32:21 GMT
It would allow time for all gms to take a look at it to minimize discrepancies, and I think the best part about having a forum post requesting it would be to let others know what is allowed and what has been outlawed.
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