cybernx
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Post by cybernx on Aug 30, 2013 1:38:04 GMT
There was a extensive talk about the Fumble Charts and it came to the point were a vote was needed so here it is, I have made 2 more Fumble Charts. To Vote for this is to Vote for these Charts LESS Dangerous is on Page 1 UNCHANGED is on Page 2 MORE Dangerous is on Page 3 NOTE: IF YOU WISH TO REMOVE THE FUMBLE TABLE ALL-TOGETHER THEN VOTE OPTION 4. Attachments:Fumble Tables.docx (8.02 KB)
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Post by Lector on Aug 30, 2013 2:15:29 GMT
there's no option to get rid of it all together? And what's the difference between a different chart and a less/more dangerous chart?
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cybernx
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Post by cybernx on Aug 30, 2013 2:21:39 GMT
read the charts, they are in the attachment. and yes you could get rid of it all together by making another BLANK chart
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 2:34:50 GMT
This poll does not accurately reflect the whole intentions of both sides of the thread. It also does not present the arguments for each side.
The sides were:
a) remove fumble table b) keep fumble table the same c) have a more lenient fumble table as a compromise.
I did not post this proposal yet because a) the thread is only 10 hours old, and b) we haven't agreed on what a suitable compromise table would be.
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cybernx
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Post by cybernx on Aug 30, 2013 2:48:10 GMT
All 3 are related in here with he addition of replaceing the current fumble table with a harder one....thats why htere are 4 opption but to make it clearer I will try and edit option 4 to read or remove all-together
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 3:23:01 GMT
This poll does not accurately reflect the whole intentions of both sides of the thread. It also does not present the arguments for each side. The sides were: a) remove fumble table b) keep fumble table the same c) have a more lenient fumble table as a compromise. I did not post this proposal yet because a) the thread is only 10 hours old, and b) we haven't agreed on what a suitable compromise table would be. All legitimate points. Regardless, I think the current fumble charts are fine considering we're already getting killed off by the GMs left and right as it is...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 5:30:47 GMT
All legitimate points. Regardless, I think the current fumble charts are fine considering we're already getting killed off by the GMs left and right as it is... Removing the fumble table would be one step towards not getting randomly killed off. Read the proposal thread for more reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 14:07:30 GMT
Like I said, I see no reason to make it more dangerous. However, that doesn't mean I want to make it less dangerous. Regardless, I think the system should be the same because I believe in the balance that comes from rolling a 20 being an automatic crit while rolling a 1 is an automatic botch. I like how the fumble chart clarifies how bad your fucked rather then the GMs just automatically fucking you over in one way or another which is why I want to keep the system. And if you die from that botch then so be it. At most, I'd be willing to concede on the following statement Lector made on the proposal discussion: " If anything since we need to roll to confirm crit, there should at least be a roll for success on a crit failure before they roll the fumble table. A failure success roll?? " I think this is fair and I think that if you're rolling to confirm a crit failure maybe one of your modifiers should be added to the roll to reduce your chance of confirming the crit failure at higher levels, but that's all I'd concede to as a player.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Aug 30, 2013 14:17:16 GMT
if the fumble charts are kept period i will probably propose certain way to mitigate the issue so that people who are better trained have some option like maybe you are allowed to add or subtract your bab from the fumble chart roll
i want the fumble chart kept without changed but i do want changes on how players can work with it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 14:19:03 GMT
if the fumble charts are kept period i will probably propose certain way to mitigate the issue so that people who are better trained have some option like maybe you are allowed to add or subtract your bab from the fumble chart roll i want the fumble chart kept without changed but i do want changes on how players can work with it Like I said, I think a crit failure comfirmation is fair with a modifier in assisting in not rolling as low for it making it less likely for higher levels to die from crit failures. I think that's fair, am I right in assuming this?
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Aug 30, 2013 14:35:34 GMT
i dont think that we should roll to confirm we fucked up(just seems stupid to me) but being allowed to apply certain skills or modifieres to the fumble chart roll would work well i think such as if you mess up on a spell subtract you spellcraft score messed up shooting a bow or swinging an axe yous bab botched throwing a bomb...im actually not sure on this one
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 14:42:24 GMT
Well I agree with basically the same concept you're proposing except I'd roll the crit roll confirmation to see if it just isn't a miss and after that if you really fucked up you made a major mistake. That's just my opinion on where it should go, but I understand where you're coming from.
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constantine
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Post by constantine on Aug 30, 2013 15:09:33 GMT
If we roll to confirm crits then i don't see why we shouldn't roll to confirm fumbles too. It balances things out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 15:53:47 GMT
If we roll to confirm crits then i don't see why we shouldn't roll to confirm fumbles too. It balances things out. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 16:30:23 GMT
All this argument and debate about how we should implement fumbles is one reason I suggested we just stick to base paizo rules.
That said, how would you implement a critical fumble confirmation? Roll again to see if you miss?
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