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Post by Effigy on Aug 19, 2013 7:42:16 GMT
I remember a few days ago some of us were talking about how awesome a artificer would be. I just happened to come across a pathfinder adapted version of one www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/adamant-entertainment/artificerIt is third party content however. And reading it over they are not that great. Still cool though, but I feel it might break game crafting system.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Aug 19, 2013 7:57:47 GMT
it seems that from what ive seen the crafting system needs a little breaking it will take years for high level crafting and require you to be under leveled for the majority of your career plus artificers are just so cool
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hemata
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Post by hemata on Aug 19, 2013 8:03:19 GMT
Hmmm, maybe. I mean at least it doesn't have the creation of mechanical creatures from 3.5, since I've heard atrocious stories of game breaking tarrasque machines being made at level 7. I don't see anything game breaking per say here, but it's really min-maxed if you will. It's got ALL of its stuff into creation, every last bit of it. It has no special abilities for combat outside of making things for itself. I'm not quite sure what to make of this class.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Aug 19, 2013 8:08:22 GMT
admitable ive just skimmed it but i thought i saw that they can make magical items of virtually anykind that seems like a pretty good thing for a party to have though they do seem rather support based whether that be damage or buffs i mean a freaking lightning cannon would just be plain cool
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Post by Effigy on Aug 19, 2013 8:14:02 GMT
The problem is they do not need to know the magic they imbue their crafts with, they just take a dc.
This is directly in opposition to Clouts rule that you need to know the magic that you craft with.
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hemata
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Post by hemata on Aug 19, 2013 8:16:02 GMT
Aye....that too. You could have, through that method, a Faith-Shielding Gravity Bow of Disintegrate. Seems a bit...odd.
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Post by hunterkiller725 on Aug 19, 2013 8:26:00 GMT
i was unaware of that ruling that means that the only people who should be focused crafters are wizards and other magic users as ther the only people who wouldnt need to go to a mage to make ther enchantments and dosnt this ruleing completly eliminate the mastercraftman feat that lets people make magic items without magic
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Aramaus
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Post by Aramaus on Aug 19, 2013 13:23:00 GMT
As I understand it the "you need the spell to craft magic items" ruling is under some debate, centered around what it meant by "spell completion item" on the relevant page. Those opposed to the ruling interpret that to mean scrolls/wands/that kind of thing. Where those for the ruling read it to mean items that require a spell to complete. (Given that the whole +5 spell craft special could be read to imply the spell isn't required the point is debatable, but i'm opposed to the ruling and biased so w/e).
As for Artificer's I don't really like them, they appear to be able to make wands (5th level feat) starting at second level, way earlier than anyone else (One really given how similar weird science is to wands). The only restriction to weird science is uses per day and in the Realm of Calidor system that's not much of a restriction.
An Artificer also gets a truly absurd number of free feats (13 bonus feats by my count).
An Artificer ignores the component costs for spell casting. Admittedly the number of 4th level and lower spells with significant component costs is low, but not non existent.
Elbow grease is far and away the best crafting bonus out there if we add it to what we have (Most bonuses including racial, traits, and feats, add a +2 to one, maybe two crafts)
Basically what i'm getting at is the Artificer is an amazing craftsman that I would love to play, but seems a bit out of place compared to most everything else we have access to.
(Side note): On the subject of the crafting system in this campaign its not as bad as you think, it just makes it difficult to make high level gear at a low level.
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Post by Magistrate Wizzle on Aug 27, 2013 20:07:06 GMT
This is not a proposal, it is merely a discussion of 3rd party classes. Please do such in misc board.
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