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Post by tarabull on Sept 1, 2013 20:34:05 GMT
I have quite rightly been called out for derailing a thread, I had a problem with the link to pirated material contained therein. This is a more appropriate place for the discussion and I'd like to apologize for not thinking of it earlier.
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Post by Del on Sept 1, 2013 20:37:02 GMT
This would indeed be a better place to continue that line of conversation. Sadly I missed this before I replied to that earlier thread.
My apologies on that front as well.
That said tarabull is correct in his statement that the link provided is for a product and by doing so you are endorsing piracy. The price of 99 cents while cheap does confer certain legal rights against said free distribution piracy.
The product is listed on the creators site spesmagna.com/products
While I am no magistrate I do work on IT security and have some experience in regards to the internet and copyrighted materials.
I like the system and would love to see it utilized. Also please note I have purchased that pdf along with a couple other of their stuff as its well written and easily understood.
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Post by tarabull on Sept 1, 2013 20:40:08 GMT
SigniferLux: I'm not sure how to interpret money being a "pitiful incentive." Whilst I am not a huge fan of the fetishization of commodities, capitalism as it currently stands, nor the current state of the publishing industry I do think that some form of copyright is necessary to ensure creators are compensated for their work (again, not sure the current state of things accomplishes this).
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Post by tarabull on Sept 1, 2013 20:44:48 GMT
Not really your mistake, Del. The fault is mine.
As for your noting that I was particularly combative in a couple of threads: I was being alarmist with the purpose of quashing a proposal that I saw as intended to serve a few at the cost of most of the game's players (a little bird brought it to my attention that some of the proponents greed was motivating the rules changes they were proposing and nobody seemed to be doing anything about it). The proposal failed. I am satisfied that we're moving in the right direction with current discussion (in part the fact that there are discussions is a move in the right direction)
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Post by Del on Sept 1, 2013 20:52:36 GMT
I can appreciate that. I also have noticed that going on in a couple threads, at least when you look beyond face value.
At any rate you are correct that the goal of moving forward is well underway and thanks for the clarification.
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Post by SigniferLux on Sept 1, 2013 20:53:57 GMT
SigniferLux: I'm not sure how to interpret money being a "pitiful incentive." Whilst I am not a huge fan of the fetishization of commodities, capitalism as it currently stands, nor the current state of the publishing industry I do think that some form of copyright is necessary to ensure creators are compensated for their work (again, not sure the current state of things accomplishes this). Compensation, if we wish to use true moral and not "law moralities", comes with appreciation and donation. Not all people are able to compensate with money. Some can compensate with referral, some with donations and some, who possess no means of awarding any of the above, with gratitude. By sharing their work, compensation have already been granted because people who can offer a donation can do so even if they can view the material beforehand. But not all people possess such commodities. Not to forget, also, that what we are doing is actually advertising the material. Apart from advertisements themselves being costly the attention of companies may fall on the subject and thus we may actually help the unknown team become a known one. Thank you for respecting the previous thread this discussion was on.
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Post by Effigy on Sept 1, 2013 21:06:16 GMT
Wow...what happened?
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Post by Del on Sept 1, 2013 21:09:18 GMT
Respect and love of your fellow gamer... Its a funny feelings isn't it
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Post by Effigy on Sept 1, 2013 21:11:47 GMT
What was the original issue?
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Post by SigniferLux on Sept 1, 2013 21:33:48 GMT
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Post by tarabull on Sept 1, 2013 21:39:14 GMT
As a copyright holder: Some of my work I would give you for asking or showing gratitude, some in trade for non-monetary goods. Neither of these arrangements is blocked by copyright law. By stealing works you disrespect creators, publishers, and the social contract citizens have with one another.
Many copyright holders do offer their work up for free, for marketing reasons, for the additional gratitude and I'm sure a slew of other reasons. That doesn't mean pirating from those who do not choose this route is ethical or defensible.
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Post by Magistrate Wizzle on Sept 1, 2013 21:51:48 GMT
I have yet no grievances with this conversation yet I wish to remind you to prevent this from being its predecessor thread.
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Post by SigniferLux on Sept 1, 2013 22:53:40 GMT
As a copyright holder: Some of my work I would give you for asking or showing gratitude, some in trade for non-monetary goods. Neither of these arrangements is blocked by copyright law. By stealing works you disrespect creators, publishers, and the social contract citizens have with one another. Many copyright holders do offer their work up for free, for marketing reasons, for the additional gratitude and I'm sure a slew of other reasons. That doesn't mean pirating from those who do not choose this route is ethical or defensible. "those who do not choose this route" The mistake here is this: If you go by the rule "i choose to make people pay for my work" you should also respect "i choose to pirate what others create". Since it is a matter of free will then it is free will for everyone. When you choose to -force- someone to pay, then someone can also -force- you to share it for free.
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Post by tarabull on Sept 1, 2013 23:14:58 GMT
I don't go by the rule of "I choose to make people pay for my work," (some of my work is freely available) I go by the rule "People have the right to be compensated fairly for their creations."
"When you choose to -force- someone to pay, then someone can also -force- you to share it for free."
I have not said anything about forcing people to pay. You're welcome to not buy, to not consume my product. You've constructed a straw man.
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Post by ceraton on Sept 1, 2013 23:38:12 GMT
What are we arguing about?
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